Convincing Christianity
 
    
    Ministry Update www.comereason.org October 2000

 

  

This is a newsletter feature of Come Reason Ministries and the "Come
Let Us Reason Together..." Web site. For more apologetics articles,
log on to http://www.comereason.org/ 

 

Ministry Report 

  • Cloning back in the news
  •  Come Reason sees over 45,000 visitors

Feature Article 

  • "How To Know God Exists" - part two

New Discussion Forum Now Available!

 

 

 

          Ministry News

Cloning once again becoming an ethical dilemma

We all remember the great stir that Dolly the sheep caused when scientists announced she was the first successfully cloned mammal. Now a private sect has offered several million dollars to anyone who will create a cloned human. Clonaid (www.clonaid.com ) is a venture put forth by the Raelian Movement that "plans to build a laboratory in a country where human cloning is not illegal and will offer its services to wealthy parents worldwide."

This is another example of why Christians should think clearly about these issues. For a look at the cloning issue from a Christian perspective, please see the Come Reason article online at: http://www.comereason.org/sci_bible/sci020.asp

 

Come Reason hosts over 45,000 visits

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          Feature Article

"How to Know God Exists" - part two - The Moral Argument

Last time we began to examine what is popularly known as the "moral argument" for God's existence. (See our web page http://www.comereason.org/newsletters/sept00.htm  if you missed that issue.) Basically, it says that in order for us to have the concepts of good and evil, there must be a God from which those concepts stem. It is only from God's nature do we understand morality and right and wrong.

There are several objections to this argument. One of the most prevalent today says that morality didn't stem from something outside man, but from man himself. People such as Nietzsche have argued that morality is merely a "convention" of man; a by-product of evolution that allows people to live together in a society. They argue that things aren't really right or wrong per se, rather these are just rules that our culture has adopted so that we can all get along. If the philosophy holds true, then there are no real moral standards at all.

There are many logical problems with moral relativism. One of which is when two different societies morals collide, who decides which is the one to use? What yardstick determines which morality is the better one if they're just different conventions?

This brings up another problem with relativism; there can be no right or wrong morality at all. We would all just be making comfortable choices. It's much like saying "You prefer a puritan morality and I prefer a modern, free morality; just like you prefer vanilla and I prefer chocolate." How can anything be really wrong with a personal preference? No one can be accused of being wrong because the like vanilla and hate chocolate, or they like the merry-go-round but hate the roller coaster. That's just the way they are.

Believing morality is just a preference leads into even more difficulties. If there is no absolute right or wrong, then how can humanity progress? If we are just picking out moral guidelines that are all equal, then society can never improve – we merely trade one morality for another and everything is still equal.

This idea goes on and on. There is no right and wrong, so there can be no good or bad. This means that there is no problem of evil. Hitler's morality to kill Jews was his and I have mine and you have yours! One can quickly see how absurd this argument becomes.

Now, most people who hold to moral relativism don't really believe all of the implications of their position that I've listed above. In fact, they will tell you that you should never push your morality on them. You shouldn't make moral judgments against them using your morality. But, do you see the problem here?

Every time someone uses the word "should" or "shouldn't", they are themselves making a moral judgment. However, they are telling you that you shouldn't make moral judgments against them. They are doing the very thing they told you not to do! But, the only way they can hold to moral relativism is if they say "you shouldn't push your morality on me." And in so doing, they are pushing their morality on you.

This is why we call moral relativism a "self-defeating" argument. Greg Koukl refers to it as a position that commits suicide. He says the argument is so broad in its scope that it even cancels itself out. This makes moral relativism contradictory: in order to follow it, you have to deny it. That means relativism is inherently illogical.

Next month, we will look at one more objection to the moral argument – a philosophy called Utilitarianism. This is a moral position taken on by many academics in the secular world because it purports to be logical and man-created. We'll see how well this argument holds up.

 

 

          New Resources

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