Convincing Christianity
    Ministry Update www.comereason.org June 2002

 

  

This is a newsletter feature of Come Reason Ministries and the "Come Let Us Reason Together..." Website. For more apologetics articles, log on to http://www.comereason.org/ 
 

Site Features

  • New! Are Miracles Logically Impossible?
  • New! Answering the Skeptic: Is the Bible a Myth?

Ministry Report

  • Getting an Atheist to Read the Bible
  • Forward to a Friend!

Feature Article 

  • Predestination and Free Will - Part 5
    Objections to Open Theism

 

 

         New Site Features

Are Miracles Logically Impossible?

David Hume was one of the most famous philosophers to come out of the enlightenment. A hard skeptic, his argument against believing in miracles is offered even today as proof that one cannot believe such claims. Is this true? Find out the answer at:
http://www.comereason.org/phil_qstn/phi060.asp
 


Answering the Skeptic: Is the Bible a Myth?

What do you do when a skeptic approaches you and asserts, "Isn't the Bible a book of parables and harmful for believing today?" Let's take a hard look at this objection and see who's being more reasonable - the believer or the skeptic? Read more at:
 http://www.comereason.org/exst_god/exs060.asp

 

         Ministry News

Getting an Atheist to Read the Bible

We are always blessed at Come Reason to see how the Lord is using our ministry. We recently received this letter from Karen, a woman who reached out in faith at her work. She writes,

"I absolutely love your website, as well as the thoughtful, loving, and SMART(Christian) way you have of answering difficult biblical/Christian questions. I am constantly defending my faith, and find your answers to be most worthy of repeating.

"I am currently in a debate with a hard-nosed atheist at work. He's agreed to actually read the bible cover to cover so our discussions are more meaningful. He's told me that he will only read it if I will answer all questions he has while reading it, which of course I said "absolutely!" If he comes up against anything I can't explain, you will be the first person I ask.

"Again, I just wanted to express my thanks. Outside of my church, I feel as though I'm the only Christian in existence! Having your website is a comfort that I'm not alone. There are so many sites on the internet that are against Christians and our faith, mostly calling us "stupid", so its nice to see there is something out there other than that. We need more people like you!"

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          Feature Article


Predestination and Free Will - Part 5
Objections to Open Theism

As many readers know, we are in the midst of a series of articles dealing with the question of predestination versus free will. (For those new to this series, you can read all the previous issues online at http://www.comereason.org/newsletters/). Last month we looked at a view called Open Theism. This month, I'd like to take some time and list the main objections to this position.

The Knowability Of The Future

One of the main tenets of Open Theism is that God cannot know future free actions, since those actions do not yet exist in reality. They are merely possibilities; and if an agent is truly free, that agent cannot be bound in any way to one possibility over another. However, this viewpoint has problems both philosophically and theologically.

In looking at claims about future free acts philosophically, William Lane Craig says there is no good reason to deny the truth or falsity of such statements. "Why should we accept the view that future-tense statements about free acts are neither true nor false?...About the only answer given to this question goes something like this: Future events, unlike present events, do not exist. That is to say, the future is not 'out there' somewhere."1

Craig answers this charge by showing that statements dealing in past-tense events can be and are considered true or false even though the events of the past, like those of the future do not exist in our present reality. "For example, [the statement] 'Reagan won the 1980 presidential election' is true if and only if Reagan won the 1980 presidential election... Long after the election is over... this statement will still be true. A future-tense statement is true if matters turn out as the statement predicts, and false if matters fail to turn out as the statement predicts."2

God's Claim To Know The Future

The other problem here is God does claim to know future events (ref. Isaiah 46:10.) There are many examples of God knowing the future choices of individuals within the pages of Scripture as well. One of the examples that Gregory Boyd tries to explain is Peter's denial of Jesus. Boyd writes "we only need to believe that God the Father knew and revealed to Jesus one very predictable aspect of Peter's character. Anyone who knew Peter's character perfectly could have predicted that under certain highly pressured circumstances (that God could easily orchestrate), he would act just the way he did."3

I find this explanation wanting. We must remember that Jesus' words weren't just "you are going to deny me" which would be predictable, but "you will deny me three times before the cock crows". In order to "orchestrate" such an event, God would have had to make sure Peter would wind up in a place where he would be forced to deny the Lord, and that his accusers would ask him three times within a defined time period. How Boyd can reconcile the free choices of all these individuals with all these events being destined to take place, he doesn't discuss. Needless to say, it would take more than just perfectly knowing a person's makeup to have the specifics of this prophecy fulfilled.

The Claim Of God Being In Time

Open theism proposes that since the only reality is the present, God also exists and acts within our experience of time. However, Dr. Norman Geisler states that since God created time, it would be an error to attribute a created property to His nature. He writes, "God created the entire spatio-temporal universe out of nothing. But time is an essential part of the cosmos. If so, then God must have created time. But if time is something that is the essence of creation, then it cannot be the attribute of the uncreated - that is of God."4

Indeed, 2 Timothy 1:9 states that we were saved according to God's purposes "from all eternity". And 1 Corinthians 2:7 speaks of God's wisdom being " predestined before the ages to our glory". Also, Titus 1:2 shows God as being "before the beginning of time "(NIV).

The Biblical Concept Of Predestination

Of course, the main focus of the Open position is to answer the problems a hard determinist view raises regarding fatalism and man's freedom (see http://www.comereason.org/newsletters/mar02.htm). However, in denying that God in some way determines the actions of man, the open theist is also denying a Biblical concept - that God has indeed predestined some to salvation before the beginning of the world. Romans 8:29 is the pivotal verse. It states "Those whom God foreknew, He predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son." Boyd tries to explain this to mean  "Paul had [spiritual] Israel as a corporate whole in mind, not individual Jews…"5 In other words, the church as a group. He uses this same reasoning regarding Ephesians 1:4 and 2 Timothy 1:9.

But we must remember that Romans 8:28 explicitly states that those who belong to the church are referred to as "the called". In the same chapter, Paul states that Christ is at the right hand of the Father "who makes intercession for us" (v.34). If we are to be consistent in this approach, we would have to say that Jesus' intersession only applies to the church as a corporate entity and not to individual Christians. But this doesn't make sense in light of the preceding verses where Paul talks about his individual suffering and how we (as individuals) eagerly await the redemption of our bodies.

There are other problems raised by the open view - how God sometimes changes His mind, for example. But in focusing on our discussion, I think you can see how the open view is a less than satisfying answer to the problems raised by hard determinism.

Next month, we'll introduce the idea that I find most appealing - the concept of Middle Knowledge - to resolve the tension of predestination and free will. If you would like to respond to this or any other article, be sure to write us at newsletter@comereason.org. I pray God will bless you until then.

 

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Notes:
1 - Craig, William Lane The Only Wise God
Wipf and Stock Pub., 1999. Eugene, OR: pp.55-56

2 - Ibid p.57

3 - Boyd, Gregory God of the Possible
Baker Books, Grand Rapids, Mi. 2000 p. 34

4 - Geisler, Norman Dr. Chosen But Free.
Bethany House Pub. Minneapolis, MN: 1999. p. 112

5 - Boyd, Op. Cit. p. 48